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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hey guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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very special

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sort of impromptu live stream we're

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doing tonight um some really cool stuff

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has come to light by our guests tonight

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and we're going to highlight it here

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tonight on somewhere in the skies we're

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going to break it down go through it and

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um all that other stuff so i'm really

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excited to have with me for the very

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first time today on summer in the skies

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dan warren which we will be bringing him

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in in just a little bit but before we do

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that um i want to thank everyone for

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tuning in to the season premiere of

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ancient aliens this past week um i

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am on ancient aliens i never in my life

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thought i would be saying that um you

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know i've been critical of the show in

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the past and um now i'm on it so there

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you go um i agreed to do the show if it

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was gonna be about um a lot of the

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modern day stuff going on with the

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pentagon and ufos and and all that and

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the more i got talking to the people

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over at ancient aliens the more um i

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realized they're really going for

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something new with the show in their

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18th season so yeah um look for me on

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future episodes as well this season but

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i want to thank everyone for sharing the

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show for tuning in i was told that it

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was one of the highest rated episodes

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they've had in a really long time so

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thank you thank you for the support on

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that um other than that um super chat

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and super stickers are open tonight if

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you want to help out the show you can do

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it that way we'll highlight your

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comments maybe we'll be able to get to

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some questions with our guest dan warren

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um but yeah that's all i got but we do

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have a special co-host joining me

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tonight as well so let's bring him in

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you love him you hate him

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here he is i know man that's my new

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thing for you

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wow all right cool

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it's a good thing it's really accurate

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exactly

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how you doing man how are you doing well

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man how are you thanks for the invite

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appreciate it of course and thank you

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for joining us on your day off over at

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ucr i really appreciate it um i you were

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the first person i thought of to come in

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for this thing with dan because he

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dropped this thing on tick tock a couple

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days ago and it blew

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it's honestly

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like yeah i mean i have you talked to

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lee spiegel about this document

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so i know dan has in the past and i know

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he was one of the reasons that dan went

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digging for this and um i recall lee

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maybe bringing this up on your show as

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a little bit but the way dan warren

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breaks it down is hands down the best

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breakdown of this this air force

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document that i've seen but yeah i want

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to get into it with him because there's

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a ton of questions he's going to be on

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my show next week too so you know

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depending on how much time we have here

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we may have some backup questions when

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he comes back

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likely said if it's real if it's really

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real

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uh and i'm sure dan does as well and i

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believe it is a real document it is a

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real air force manual um

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it's the closest thing to a smoking gun

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that we've ever had

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it's pretty cool and you know i know

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what i would share but some people

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me when we had a post discussion in the

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uh in the discord so people were like

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but think about it this way in this way

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so i want to run by those by dan and by

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you and see what you guys think or or

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what you guys have heard about it

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absolutely and i know dan even brings

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that up in the the videos as well and

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we're chatting offline about um some

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people think this is nothing some people

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think it's pretty cool but it's

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something and it's worth talking about

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and i hadn't heard of it before so i

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immediately um

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started reading the chapter i'm like wow

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could you imagine going to an academy

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and busting open that book and then you

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see this a chapter on ufos well imagine

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the class that you went to that you

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reviewed this in

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yeah that's the thing that blows my mind

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is that there was there was there was a

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day where you went into class and this

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is the chapter you reviewed with

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a a professor

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you know it's crazy an air force

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professor essentially so yeah it's

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it's wild i have some theories is i have

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some pretty good reasons as to why they

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would write something like that

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but again yeah i mean let's let's let's

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see what that says let's bring him in

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yeah the man of the hour um he's on tick

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tock as fifth pillar of emphasis he's an

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engineer he's a ufo researcher as well

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dan warren welcome to somewhere in the

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sky is my man hey thanks for having me

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right don't call me a researcher people

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are going to throw a flag on that i

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investigate the ufo i don't know man we

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are a good researcher you've done a hell

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of a lot more research than a lot of

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people who claim to be researchers i can

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tell you i mean if you want to call

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yourself an armchair researcher just to

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be serious yeah

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caveat

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there's an asterisk next to the word

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researcher in my title that's there we

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go we'll go with that you're too polite

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my man well um hey it's your first time

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on the show um you know this might be

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the first time for a lot of my my

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viewers or listeners uh seeing you i

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know you've been on a few other shows as

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well but would you mind kind of telling

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us a little about yourself how did you

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get interested first in ufos and uh

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maybe what got you to go over to tick

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tock a uh an app that i'm still trying

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to understand myself oh man i don't know

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i don't know but you're killing it over

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there so yeah give us the origin story

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if you don't mind yeah so i've i've

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always been a fan of the the bigger

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mysteries in the world so

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since my childhood i've always looked

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into books

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uh in the library that kind of piqued my

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interest like loch ness monster and

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every everybody was in the into bigfoot

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and things like that uh when you're kids

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uh ancient histories and ancient origins

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of mankind so i dug into that that's

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carried over into a fascination with the

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the bigger questions in life and that's

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that's where i started getting

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interested in that when i was young of

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course x-files was around when i was in

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and it just continued to go from there

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it's a topic that has

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dedicated interest for a while and then

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associated with it i'd be embarrassed to

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let people know that i'm interested in

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this topic even so i would kind of shy

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away from it thinking that i'm wasting

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my time and investigating something like

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this and then i'll get back into it

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you just get in the pool and you get out

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of the pool you jump in you jump out and

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um i got back into it fairly heavily

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in 2017 a little bit before then

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and the timing was right at that point

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ttsa came out lou came out

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but the guy that really got my attention

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was steve justice because he is

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a fellow technical minded dude like me

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he was the top of the pyramid when it

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comes to high-tech aerospace so for him

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to step out

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on that stage meant a lot to me

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because i know what that means to be at

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the level he was

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um and for him to give that up and and

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really got my attention so i became a

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first-round investor in tcsa

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mainly so that i i could have skin in

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the game be interested in

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the topic even more it's it's like

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gambling on a sports game if you watch a

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game a basketball game you're going to

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be interested in it but if you have

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money on the game you are definitely

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going to be focusing on the the nuances

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percentage the the three point of

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three-pointers that are going down

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everything like that so that's what it

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was something i could do to help me stay

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focused on the topic and not want to

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back out of it like i have in the past

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uh more modern or just recent years like

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2020 of course everybody got bored

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sitting at home for so long so i was

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trying to think of stuff to do

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besides just consume so i i reached out

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to lou actually when i first started

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saying hey

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i heard uh lou elizondo talk about

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getting off the couch and getting

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involved

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i i felt like he was talking to me when

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he said it i want to do something i

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don't know what yet so i reached out to

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lou gimenez

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and just kind of asked him for some

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advice and he gave me some so that kind

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the ball the snowball rolling down the

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i started on youtube but i'll be honest

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my my production skills my editing

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skills not up to par like you guys are

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hands down like running away with it so

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i looked at tick tock after

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andrew andreas freeman stahl pointed out

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that he was getting some major views

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just by

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was like well i'll give it a shot i went

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out there and looked no there's no

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competition for what i do on tick tock

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right now so

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so that that's a big plus for somebody

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just trying to get into it and the

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entry level

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technical knowledge that you need to

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start making tick-tock videos lowest

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that you're gonna find it is an app that

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has everything you need to start today

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so anyone can do it and that included me

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i'm anyone i'm just like anybody else so

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i started doing it and

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with anything the more you do it the

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more efficient you become at it the more

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competent you

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become um and so that's where it's kind

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of rolled into and

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i've i've started to incorporate the use

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of my computer to try to increase the

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quality of it

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it's it's a

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it's an app it that allows me to be very

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flexible i can cover whatever i want

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because i'm only doing short little

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videos about i'm not doing a lot of

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super deep dives except for this last

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time that worked out really well so

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maybe i should be doing deep dives more

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deserved a deep dive man yeah for sure

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that's where that's this origin story so

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a lifelong interest in the topic that's

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waned just like anybody else um

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got off the couch and got involved and

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started having the conversation

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exactly and that's why we're having this

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conversation today um and that's so cool

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well you said like steve justice was the

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guy who kind of reinvigorated you like

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and saying like that was one of me you

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know a fellow engineer um i don't

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engineers are not people i think of a

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lot when i think of the ufo topic but

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they just dawned on me of course they're

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going to be interested like this could

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revolutionize technology forever when it

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comes to engineering of anything so

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that's pretty cool man that he's the one

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that kind of showed you like it's okay

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in my profession to be interested in

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this and and to talk about it

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nuts and bolts like that

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i was all nuts and bolts for

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my entire life because i'm mechanically

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inclined it's what i'm drawn to until

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these recent years have come out where

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there's more to it than just nuts and

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bolts so that's been kind of

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a turn that i didn't expect a change a

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shifting course that wasn't that kind of

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caught me off guard when we started

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talking about other aspects of the

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phenomena

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besides nuts and bolts yeah yeah welcome

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to ufology it'll do that it'll do that

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for sure well i mean a lot of people in

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the chat dan are asking what are we

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talking about like what is this thing

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that um you found you dug up and uh

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brought forth on tick tock so i think

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what i'm gonna do actually is we're

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going to watch the first video of the

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tick tock thread that you put out i

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think it was 11 videos total um

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okay cool so let's go ahead and play

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that now and we'll come back on the

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other side and um

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get your thoughts on

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tell us what you thought about this how

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you found it and all that all right my

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if i can do this talk about technical

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stuff here we go this may be hard to

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believe but the u.s air force academy

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used to educate its cadets about ufos

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between 1968 and 1970 and this wasn't

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just some professor's opinion this was

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in their textbook

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which was confirmed by the deputy

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director of public information at the

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air force academy the cadets that

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enrolled in physics 370 were required to

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have a textbook titled introductory

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space science the very last chapter in

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this textbook was titled unidentified

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flying objects

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and according to the lee more advanced

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the students were taught to stop

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scoffing at ufos and instead to keep an

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open mind on the subject

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this course was an elective that

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attracted about 20 students per semester

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that means for the five semesters that

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this was in place about a hundred cadets

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were exposed to this information

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but i got my hands on a copy of it so

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i'm going to expose the rest of the

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world to this information so make sure

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you hit that follow button

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this textbook was written in 1968 back

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when the air force was still collecting

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ufo reports through project blue book

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but since the air force sponsored condon

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report came out in early 1969 and stated

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that nothing had come from the study of

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ufos in two decades they decided to

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remove it from the curriculum

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the findings of the condom report also

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resulted in the termination of project

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blue book in that same year

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project blue book concluded by stating

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the following

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no ufo reported investigated and

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evaluated by the air force has ever

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given any indication of threat to our

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national security there has been no

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evidence discovered by the air force

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that sightings categorized as

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unidentified represent technological

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developments beyond the range of present

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day scientific knowledge there's been no

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indication that sightings categorized as

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unidentified are extraterrestrial

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vehicles

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based on those conclusions the air force

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removed their chapter about ufos and

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replaced it with a chapter called

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unidentified aerial phenomena which just

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so happens to be the term that they used

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in the gillibrand rubio gallego

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amendment

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which establishes the next incarnation

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of project blue book thanks to the

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signing of the ndaa for 2022

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so you're not going to want to miss what

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comes next

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nice man what's it like seeing yourself

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it's it's really hard to watch those

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videos when it's you looking back at you

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i hate watching my videos

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i can imagine well let's talk about the

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content chapter 33 of this textbook can

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you tell us a little maybe about um what

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textbook this was in

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where

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and um yeah who

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who put this thing out there um yeah any

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information you can give us on what we

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were looking at there

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so i i think the best story is the one

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that lee spiegel tells about how he came

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to know that this thing existed because

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i found out about it from his interviews

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uh with micah hanks is the first time i

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heard it and then i heard it on lou's

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show as well

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and he got introduced to it by none

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other than jay allen heineck and anytime

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that guy's name is involved to me that

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that

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catches my attention so

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i thought that was amazing when i found

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that out so i turned around and started

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to search for this document and i found

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it on coupon.org

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but

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since then i have also found that this

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mystery wire or mystery wires put out a

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scanned copy of the chapters but it's a

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little bit more legible on the

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coupon.org site than this this one you

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can also copy and paste it off the other

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one um but

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there's

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the context is always important i always

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like one of the in the goals of my tic

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tocs

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the goals of my videos are to provide

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context to the situations that are

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currently arising that people that are

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new to the subject might not be aware of

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i always use the example of if i say

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something happened in 1947

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everybody knows what 1947 means to

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somebody that's en engaged in this topic

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not everybody knows that people that are

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just getting into it are gonna need a

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little bit of background so i try to

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provide a background

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to the information that i provide so

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the very first chapter or the the the

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opening of the coupon.org provides the

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context for what i just talked about on

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on that video that the lee more advanced

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actually found out about it vetted the

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information in 1970 and and made it

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an article about it

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but getting to the book it was

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introduced in 1968

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and

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like i said three

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maybe five semesters worth of students

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pass through it it looks like it's a

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junior level class because it was taught

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in

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a course called physics 370.

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the textbook that it was written is

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called introductory space science

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so i took two physics classes in college

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and

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i don't remember anything fun

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about those

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two semesters

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all right maybe it was three semesters

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but don't tell anybody

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um

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but

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it it was tough it was a battle to get

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through it i can't imagine

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getting something like this

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slipped into it so dude i mean this i

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just want to read this from joseph quick

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dad turn to chapter 33 class we're about

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to blow your goddamn mind that's just

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that's exactly what i imagine

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so my my understanding is that the two

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gentlemen that wrote it

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were

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affiliated with project blue book i

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haven't vetted that information but

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ever since this went out on twitter and

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i mean let's face it eric weinstein

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weinstein blew this thing up when he

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retweeted it that's when the masses

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found out about it it was doing okay

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until then but he

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really put the nitrous on it when he

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retweeted it so thank you eric if you

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ever see this

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i i bought him a virtual drink

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i went up with my wife last night and

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bought him a drink and posted a picture

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about it and i told him i bought you a

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drink i hope you like whiskey and water

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and i drank it for you too so

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we're good

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yeah it was a major donald g carpenter

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and lieutenant colonel edward r

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thurkelson

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yep okay those guys yeah so

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that's

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um i mean because we discussed this too

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on the show and then we had a post

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discussion like i said earlier on on the

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discord

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and

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i was blown away by this document i was

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absolutely floored like this existed

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this was in an air force manual

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and this was taught in a class like i

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cannot imagine

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the questions

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or the reasons why this is even in there

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why is this in there even if it's only

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for two or three semesters how many

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semesters was it dan three it was from

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68 to 70 i think that means three to

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five semesters i don't know exactly yeah

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at least um

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man we gotta find someone who took that

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course well i'm curious to know what

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else major donald g carpenter and

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lieutenant colonel edward thurkelson

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also wrote what other kind of papers

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they wrote i think that's something

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worthy of looking into

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um

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because if they

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want to just know what their writing

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style is like maybe it does match this

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sort of text

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maybe they wrote other papers that have

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to do with this topic i don't know if

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anybody's looked into that

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i would imagine so considering how long

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this information's been out

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but yeah i mean it's

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this is something i had no idea about

556
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,679
and i've been into this topic for a long

557
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,640
time

558
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,200
and yeah when when i also found out i

559
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,679
was like wait a second uh

560
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,200
uh

561
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,240
um who recommended this paper like who

562
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,480
found this how did this happen and and

563
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,480
where it came from i was like this is

564
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,640
insane how is this not

565
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,200
front page news

566
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,640
how did this how did this people not

567
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,280
notice this in 1968 there's so many

568
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,880
questions about this

569
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,280
this chapter um what's your biggest

570
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:22,640
question dan

571
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,679
how are there so much best uh how

572
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,400
specific information included in this i

573
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
mean it's

574
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,520
uh there's some information that i i

575
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,080
tried to vet myself like they talk about

576
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,280
in particular

577
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,679
i was drawn to the history section of it

578
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,159
where they say that they have uh

579
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,280
carvings from the sahara from 1940s or

580
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,159
from 47 000 years ago

581
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,960
depicting a human-shaped creature with a

582
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,679
helmet and it looks like a trunk

583
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,200
elephant trunk coming off of it which

584
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,640
would be a breathing apparatus that was

585
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,440
one of the things that they referenced

586
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,240
i could not find anything that documents

587
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,640
that provides a image of what they were

588
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,400
talking about because

589
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:06,400
so those are the biggest questions i

590
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,440
have is

591
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,480
that's a very specific and bold claim to

592
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,600
say that

593
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,280
it's been global in nature i don't think

594
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,880
that's a question i don't know anybody

595
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,880
that argues that it's all right so there

596
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,080
are some people that will argue it's

597
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:20,559
just an american issue

598
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,360
but ever most people say it's global in

599
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,280
nature but the time like that's the

600
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,039
question i want to know and that's the

601
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,840
question that i think is going to

602
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,400
come forward before

603
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,480
who it is i think they're going to talk

604
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,720
about when this started

605
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,280
so for it to be 47 000 years ago

606
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:40,880
specifically is when this thing was

607
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:43,840
engaging in whatever it was uh started

608
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,960
engaging with us it's very specific

609
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,280
and it's a very bold claim so that to me

610
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,000
is what stands out yeah the specificity

611
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,559
of it is also what stood out to me but

612
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,880
i'm curious um

613
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,240
what do you think the motivation of

614
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,559
putting this into a manual is

615
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,600
so that that was my uh third video was

616
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,520
basically saying like hey suspend your

617
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,559
judgment

618
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,000
right don't don't focus on

619
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,919
do i believe every word that they're

620
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,480
telling me focus on why

621
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,200
would the air force be exposing their

622
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:18,960
future leaders because it's

623
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,919
it's not like this is basic training uh

624
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,919
right boot camp this is

625
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,440
like the the

626
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,120
i'll call him the elite of the air force

627
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,679
the brain i mean a major

628
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,960
wrote this yeah and a lieutenant colonel

629
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,039
so why it's not just like two schmoes

630
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:37,200
writing this this chapter

631
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,080
right

632
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,080
well and then two the the other thing

633
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,880
that really stuck out to me um i had it

634
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,039
up on the screen earlier was the uh the

635
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,520
physiological effects now this is you

636
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,440
know something that i know they looked

637
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,840
into with atip and and it's been around

638
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
forever like what are the physical

639
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,520
effects of these close encounter

640
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,000
experiences and um i found it really

641
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,400
interesting that that was also included

642
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,240
in this chapter as well and a lot of

643
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,679
people are like yeah this is just like

644
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,679
what blue book was looking at and of

645
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,919
course yeah no that seems to be the case

646
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:09,919
but why was it in

647
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,880
an air force academy manual is my big

648
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,440
question and why like you said were they

649
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,200
being so specific and what they wanted

650
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,440
these students to know um that's what

651
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,039
really caught my attention i don't know

652
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,880
am i am i wrong on that the

653
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,120
physiological effects that i always go

654
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,520
back to that that that's that's what

655
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,480
we've been

656
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,200
kind of studying for many years and what

657
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:33,279
we hopefully will be studying in this

658
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,240
new

659
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,600
whatever dod program or gila brand thing

660
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,760
whatever that amalgamation is going to

661
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,679
become we're going to be looking at the

662
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,240
physical effects again and hopefully the

663
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,760
air force is going to be involved i

664
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,120
don't know i don't know what one thing

665
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,960
that was somewhat shocking to me is the

666
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,360
information and the perspective that was

667
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:53,120
the picture that was painted in this

668
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,480
chapter

669
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,880
man it still rings true today like it

670
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,039
doesn't feel like we've gained a lot of

671
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,080
ground since 1968 when this thing was

672
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,600
written we're still asking those same

673
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,720
questions

674
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,480
that that's another thing that kind of

675
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,320
shocked me is

676
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,159
i've got the same questions now that

677
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,480
these guys had back then

678
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,720
when do the answers start to

679
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,600
to get exposed to us but again but i'm

680
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,520
curious to know what you think is the

681
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,480
reason why they included this chapter

682
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:24,240
oh you used to know what your hypothesis

683
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,120
is so

684
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,080
so there's the what i read hypothesis

685
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,799
which is well it was a exercise in

686
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:32,880
thinking outside of the box and trying

687
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,720
to stay open-minded and

688
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:38,799
not jumping to conclusions just

689
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:42,480
absorbing the information and trying to

690
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,279
not

691
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,760
stand on one side of the line or of the

692
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,000
other so

693
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,679
rigidly

694
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,840
what why i think it's in there

695
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,000
i mean i think it's the air force was

696
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,960
investigating ufos they had collected a

697
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,640
lot of information through project blue

698
00:26:04,710 --> 00:25:59,760
book

699
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,720
like like i suspect chris mellon

700
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,320
held the hand of the person writing the

701
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,799
gila brand amendment i feel like people

702
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,159
in blue book were holding the hand of

703
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,520
the people writing this chapter and

704
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,679
saying hey put this in there leave leave

705
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,120
that out this is

706
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:16,880
and this is me speculating i don't want

707
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:19,760
anyone to think i have any proof of this

708
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:22,240
but i think it's in there as a form of

709
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,039
hey

710
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,679
this might if blue book continued i

711
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,200
wonder if this would become even more

712
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,640
elaborate i wonder if it was the

713
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,760
beginning of

714
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,080
hey we're moving forward with this we

715
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,159
need you guys to be aware of it before

716
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,159
the rest of the general public becomes

717
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,400
aware of this so that we can be

718
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,880
a few steps ahead we need our leaders to

719
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,200
be ready for this in the future but then

720
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,440
that's exactly change things

721
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,320
right then yeah and we'll get to that um

722
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,159
alex says just in case happens

723
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,960
maybe that's so true we know there are

724
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,080
within government there are

725
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,840
contingencies for

726
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,400
everything weather weather natural

727
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,720
disasters um

728
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,640
whatever terrorist attacks um but

729
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,200
there's also i've been told there are

730
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,279
contingency plans if we are to make

731
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240
contact or if there is an invasion from

732
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,400
another planet i could be you know

733
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,760
completely

734
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,840
being told you know disinformation on

735
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,200
that but i have heard that there are

736
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:19,440
contingencies for things like this so

737
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,960
yeah maybe again they're trying to get

738
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,120
ahead of it ahead of the game um so

739
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,600
they're not looking like they are today

740
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,520
saying we have no idea what any of this

741
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,200
is it's not russia it's not china we

742
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,600
don't know but it's in our airspace and

743
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,720
we can't do anything about it so

744
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,480
here's the thing that i kind of gather

745
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,559
when i was reading it because the thing

746
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,159
that keeps flashing in my brain when i

747
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,600
read it is

748
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,360
being trying to put myself in the

749
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,080
perspective of being in that classroom

750
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,559
and what kind of questions popped up

751
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,559
after reading through this

752
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,120
or or coming into class and going okay

753
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,679
everybody chapter 33

754
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,440
go ahead what are your questions and

755
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,440
then people start firing away

756
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,360
what's i mean i'm sure

757
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,279
be like okay why is this in here number

758
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,640
one but i think

759
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:06,960
the thing that i sort of theorized and

760
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,600
against speculation city here

761
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,200
uh is that

762
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,480
this was a way for a couple of years

763
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,000
after blue book to answer

764
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:20,559
a whole bunch of questions

765
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,440
that might come up after an ex an

766
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,640
experience it a an experience

767
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,520
or after a personal sighting

768
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,360
by an air force officer because i think

769
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,000
this is a perfect opportunity to be like

770
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,080
these are the answers you guys you don't

771
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:38,399
have to report it you don't have to it

772
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,919
takes all the curiosity out of what this

773
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,799
phenomenon could be it really does kind

774
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,799
of give you a whole bunch of answers and

775
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,120
things to look at if you're interested

776
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,520
but it and it leads you sort of in in a

777
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,960
in a pretty

778
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,830
it's a cool direction that this manual

779
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,840
leads you down and

780
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,200
and

781
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,880
it's almost like

782
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,679
teaching a kid how to play with fire

783
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,360
uh how to but instead of playing with

784
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,640
fire you teach them how to build a

785
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,799
campsite how to respect the fire how to

786
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,120
put out uh once the fires you're done

787
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,279
with it um all of the things that is

788
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,360
responsible about making a fire why you

789
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,200
should be responsible with a fire so

790
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,520
that way when their buddy a few months

791
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,200
down the road it's like hey let's play

792
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,960
with these matches he's like yeah i'm

793
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,000
good i

794
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,640
i know how to build a fire i'm good um

795
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,399
this is what this kind of feels like so

796
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,480
that way if if you have an air force

797
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:35,600
pilot or colonel that gets a report from

798
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:38,720
one of his men or sees one himself

799
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,480
he could go oh yeah chapter 33 oh also i

800
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,159
should probably shut up about this

801
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,120
because the ramifications are

802
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,120
are because they also go through in this

803
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:51,120
manual the punishments of reporting

804
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,399
these things

805
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,080
they tell you straight up like you'll

806
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,200
probably get demoted you'll probably be

807
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,520
possibly fired or or

808
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,320
or labeled clinically insane

809
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,120
and it's like

810
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,559
you know so it's like here here are the

811
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,840
answers so that way you don't have to be

812
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,919
curious and then they and then that

813
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,600
helps them keep the

814
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,080
this this the circulation of secrecy

815
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:16,000
intact because they just take the

816
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,760
curiosity out of it i don't know that's

817
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:20,159
kind of what i felt when i read it it

818
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,279
was like

819
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,279
here you go hear the answers

820
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,360
that way you don't have to ask so one of

821
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:27,039
the things that i've asked myself is how

822
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:28,880
come they wrote this chapter basically

823
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,080
saying here's a chapter about ufos why

824
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:34,240
didn't they write a chapter saying ufos

825
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,360
aren't real

826
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,880
and here's why

827
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,120
but you should still take these it could

828
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,440
be these other things instead like how

829
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:43,919
come they didn't frame it with

830
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,960
this isn't a real thing right

831
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,360
you guys need to know that it's not and

832
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,440
this is what the other possibilities are

833
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,000
that are left on the table right right

834
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:55,679
well because i feel like the rest of the

835
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,110
different ways of clarifying what your

836
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,200
job is you know what and how to see

837
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,720
things in the sky and how to read your

838
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,720
instruments and know where you are in

839
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,159
the in the sky or whatever the

840
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,679
battlefield whatever else they're

841
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,519
learning i'm assuming it's like you said

842
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,640
it's not basic training um but it's you

843
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,200
know uh i i'm assuming the rest of the

844
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,600
book is just a lot more clarification a

845
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,559
lot more

846
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,799
almost reading like stereo instructions

847
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,360
really boring chapters whereas this was

848
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,760
probably the funnest day they had

849
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,320
in the whole semester

850
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,320
yeah that's a good point man that's like

851
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,159
the day when the teacher puts like a

852
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,399
video on instead of lecturing you're

853
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,960
like oh finally like something a little

854
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,120
different um i can't imagine what lunch

855
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,080
discussion was after this class

856
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,640
exactly michael said fema has engaged in

857
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:48,720
zombie apocalypse training yeah man they

858
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,159
have contingencies for everything um dan

859
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
there was something you brought up that

860
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:56,000
um i do kind of want to talk about and

861
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,720
that's stripping it of the curiosity um

862
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:03,200
the content report so that thing came

863
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,360
out obviously deflated a lot of ufo uh

864
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,399
believers out there um and probably

865
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,279
satisfied a lot of scientists out there

866
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:14,720
um but

867
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,919
that is when i believe this chapter was

868
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,840
pulled it was pulled from the textbook

869
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,600
is that correct yes

870
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,880
the condon report came out in 69 late i

871
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,080
think it was december 69 i might i might

872
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,159
have the month off but yeah it had been

873
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,919
in circulation this chapter was in the

874
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,519
book in 68

875
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,799
the condom report came out in 69

876
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,720
which this this party kind of cracks me

877
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,799
up they didn't want to pay to reprint

878
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,600
the main the entire book so they left it

879
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:46,320
in for another semester or two and so

880
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,279
they could

881
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,000
reprint the books so there can't be that

882
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,080
many of these things floating out there

883
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,679
like it's got to be just such a rare

884
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,880
piece of

885
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,519
american history that that is floating

886
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,919
around so like like jane heineck showing

887
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,760
it to lee spiegel man

888
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,840
my hands would have been shaken it would

889
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,200
have been awesome

890
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,600
but yeah um i i think the condor report

891
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,039
came out and

892
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,200
they revised the chapter they didn't

893
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,799
remove it they said all right we're

894
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,559
going to put something in there that

895
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,679
conforms to the findings that were put

896
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,840
forth in the content report so they

897
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,480
actually provided more possible

898
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:27,279
explanations to the uap phenomenon which

899
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:27,919
is

900
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,760
we're talking uap now instead of ufos

901
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,840
but they didn't go into the

902
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,799
the history they didn't go into the

903
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,640
alien species like they did in the

904
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,039
previous one they stripped it of all the

905
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,640
um

906
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,679
specificity uh type items and went very

907
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,080
vague in general

908
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,799
right yeah and just changing that one

909
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,600
from ufo to phenomena i mean that's

910
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,919
enough to be like okay they're they're

911
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,279
definitely going for something different

912
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,919
here like we are today and

913
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,760
we're learning uap has been around for a

914
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,360
hell of a lot longer than we thought it

915
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,080
was well just in the first two pages it

916
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:08,480
gives you the descriptions the size the

917
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,520
shape the luminosity the colors the

918
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,839
behavior of these objects the locations

919
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:16,320
altitudes directions path patterns of

920
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,560
paths flight characteristics uh uh

921
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,280
periodicity of of sightings time

922
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:25,919
duration curiosity of inquisitiveness

923
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,040
hostilities hostility like these are

924
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:32,240
insane as associated effects after

925
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:33,280
effects

926
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,079
animals depressed or flattened areas

927
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:42,720
dead or missing animals mentally

928
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,639
disturbed people or missing items

929
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,960
mentally disturbed people that's it

930
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:50,720
definitely like after effects like no

931
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,720
that that's after so

932
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,440
i think that that is basically summing

933
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,399
up

934
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,000
you could be abducted you could be

935
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,200
burned uh you know on some levels uh you

936
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,960
could be you could you could be

937
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,880
depressed those things could happen to

938
00:35:08,109 --> 00:35:06,640
your crops if you live on a farm things

939
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,119
could go missing they're little

940
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,000
kleptomaniacs like

941
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:11,760
there's all sorts that mentally

942
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,960
disturbed like having to deal with say

943
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,200
a scary abduction scenario

944
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,960
right you know i don't think that means

945
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,560
like they found mentally disturbed

946
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,240
people around there is i guess actually

947
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,079
we should probably clarify that well i

948
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,920
would think it would be more like ptsd

949
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,760
type symptoms correct yeah that's

950
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,400
surfaced after an encounter correct a

951
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:32,079
lot of people are asking where they can

952
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,880
read

953
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,560
this chapter by the way guys i just put

954
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,839
a link in the

955
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,440
in the chat there for you over at

956
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,920
mystery wire but um was it cufos you

957
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:41,680
said damn that had a better version of

958
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,310
just search for introductory space

959
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,359
science and you'll be able to find it uh

960
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:53,440
via google links

961
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:54,720
um so

962
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,079
as an engineer dan i'd love to know like

963
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,920
what in this chapter since it's a book

964
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,160
on physics and everything um

965
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:04,320
what as an engineer did you find most

966
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,440
compelling

967
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,280
about the chapter anything really stick

968
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,960
out to you is compelling in terms of

969
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,880
that

970
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,480
as an engineer

971
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,280
uh i i'm gonna struggle to answer this

972
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:17,599
one i'm afraid uh they don't really get

973
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,880
into the propulsion systems or how they

974
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,520
were manufactured the the material

975
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,800
science

976
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,359
the like i'm always fascinated by

977
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,560
fasteners like to me like i if it

978
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,880
doesn't have rivets and screws

979
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,480
then it is

980
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,079
a 3d printer

981
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,400
type product or it's something beyond

982
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,760
our our known manufacturing capabilities

983
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,880
so that's that's what i look for um

984
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,000
on

985
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,000
there's nothing in there in particular

986
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,400
that's engineering related i guess i

987
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,480
don't have to conclude

988
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,040
no that's fine man what was the most fun

989
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:57,839
part of reading this document for you oh

990
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,040
absolutely it was the retelling of the

991
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,800
uh

992
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:05,119
species that orbited the earth yeah it

993
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,480
was so weird

994
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,030
like that that was how they started one

995
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,000
of the sections and i just

996
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,000
i mean let's just call it what it is

997
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,480
they described an alien

998
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,560
species migrating to earth

999
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,480
they got in a fight with each other had

1000
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,720
a civil war one of them

1001
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,760
threw a

1002
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,200
a nuke at the other one destroyed them

1003
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,800
went into deep depression and then left

1004
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,880
forever like okay that's what they

1005
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,960
described okay let's talk about this for

1006
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,680
a second because this is crazy because

1007
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,520
like this is the part where i'm just

1008
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,920
like come on dude like

1009
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,040
it's almost

1010
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,200
but then you see the the

1011
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,359
rock carvings uh that they talk about in

1012
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,960
the sahara where they're wearing like

1013
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,599
wood looks like space helmets

1014
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,200
um

1015
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,040
well that wasn't the actual one that was

1016
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,440
one that i found that was similar to a

1017
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,400
depiction but the the 47 000 year old

1018
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:05,359
description of the person wearing uh

1019
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,320
breathing

1020
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,400
i couldn't find a picture or the well

1021
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,079
but just the descriptions of them in the

1022
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:12,160
carvings in ireland that they discussed

1023
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,040
um

1024
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:20,870
if there was an ancient

1025
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,079
uh alien race that migrated to earth

1026
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,160
and the

1027
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:27,200
the

1028
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,430
well i mean we should be finding this

1029
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,240
tech everywhere no

1030
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,390
there are indications uh and it's i'm

1031
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,839
not gonna be able to tell you like forty

1032
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,200
seven thousand a year whenever that

1033
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,119
event happened they found something but

1034
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,680
they did find like the spike in nuclear

1035
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,920
activity and i always pronounced nuclear

1036
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,800
wrong so i'm sorry people that are gonna

1037
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,560
look

1038
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,240
some people like some people love

1039
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,560
cilantro some people it tastes like soap

1040
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,560
yeah that's fine

1041
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,480
but like the there was a spike in

1042
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,640
radiate radiation around the globe

1043
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,119
during the uh

1044
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,119
why is it slipping my mind right now

1045
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,880
tusk uh

1046
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:23,589
uh yeah that huge explosion russian

1047
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,190
sorry

1048
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,119
but from my understanding there is

1049
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,200
radioactivity readings in locations

1050
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,720
around the world some of them are i

1051
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,920
guess it can happen naturally

1052
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,320
which still is fascinating to me that

1053
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,160
that can be a natural occurrence i

1054
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,520
believe that's something that happened

1055
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,359
over in the middle east and in some

1056
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,079
location um i've forgotten exactly where

1057
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,240
they they found evidence of it but it

1058
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,000
was from a long time ago like a million

1059
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,000
years ago and they still find

1060
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,000
fallout from that so it can be a

1061
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,560
naturally occurring process from

1062
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,400
the few articles i've read about it i'm

1063
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,760
not an expert

1064
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,119
but yeah i would think there'd be some

1065
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,760
kind of evidence associated with it but

1066
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,280
what

1067
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,680
like oral history

1068
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,359
i mean it sounds like sodom and gomorrah

1069
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:19,680
type of thing it sounds like stories

1070
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:20,480
from

1071
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:23,760
our ancient ancestors before writing

1072
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,440
could occur it almost sounds like dune

1073
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,160
like like there were these gods that

1074
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,359
came down in these massive ships to come

1075
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,560
and collect

1076
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,920
spice

1077
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,200
you know and

1078
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,599
and the locals rebelled and dug

1079
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,720
underground and it's almost as if like

1080
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,640
these gods that came down had issues

1081
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,440
with the gods that were there

1082
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,520
and then took them out with some sort of

1083
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,400
catastrophic event and then maybe

1084
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,119
the remnants of what was ever left over

1085
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,319
from those gods is kind of who we are

1086
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,520
today and that's maybe how this hybrid

1087
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:04,480
theory plays into this whole thing uh

1088
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,520
where maybe the gods you know ended up

1089
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,680
meeting with the with you know the

1090
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:11,440
mortals on earth

1091
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,680
and and then boom human um

1092
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,200
we're just kind of sitting here waiting

1093
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:19,520
for them to come back one day i i don't

1094
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,760
think it's so wild to think of it's

1095
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,680
almost like the fifth element

1096
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,520
meets dune

1097
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,720
yeah it make you know it it scares me to

1098
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,119
think about this but also this idea of

1099
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,119
like a lot of these

1100
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,920
unknown artifacts that we found and we

1101
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,760
don't know where they came from or what

1102
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,839
they were used for but they're there

1103
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,400
we've uncovered them we have them uh but

1104
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,079
we don't know exactly what they were

1105
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,319
used for and it scares me it's kind of

1106
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,880
like that you know in contact where they

1107
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,800
build the craft

1108
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,880
and they're like this could be

1109
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,280
we could be building the weapon to

1110
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,200
destroy ourselves that's what always

1111
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,440
scares me you know with these craft that

1112
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:01,599
have supposedly crashed with these

1113
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,880
pieces of debris that we found um is it

1114
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,640
possible that this could be some sort of

1115
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,440
trojan horse thing and they're like all

1116
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,800
right um either this is gonna like

1117
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,880
change our technology and we're gonna

1118
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,760
leapfrog ahead of every country and uh

1119
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,079
be the prominent power or we're building

1120
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,440
our own

1121
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,599
device to destroy ourselves i don't know

1122
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,760
i don't know um i have what are your

1123
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,200
thoughts about

1124
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,079
this whole ufo disclosure topic like i

1125
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,839
feel like i'm doing the right thing that

1126
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,680
i'm i'm pushing forward trying to get

1127
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,680
the information out because i i want the

1128
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,880
information

1129
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119
but then i in the back of my mind i

1130
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,280
start to question myself like they've

1131
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,200
they've been hiding this

1132
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,520
and they've been hiding it for a reason

1133
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,359
am i doing the right thing by trying to

1134
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,640
push this

1135
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,000
uh disclosure issue forward and try to i

1136
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,680
want the information am i being greedy

1137
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,839
am i being selfish should i have no

1138
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,079
should i not be doing that am i creating

1139
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,440
am i contributing to something that's

1140
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,480
going to be a net negative to humanity i

1141
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,920
view it as a an

1142
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,800
enormous positive for humanity myself

1143
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,640
but then in the back of my mind there's

1144
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,960
always that nagging thought like

1145
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,040
maybe i shouldn't be doing this maybe we

1146
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,560
shouldn't be doing this maybe we don't

1147
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,560
want to know maybe we can't handle it i

1148
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,800
i want to sleep at night like i have

1149
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,880
those questions that fly through my head

1150
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,160
at times too

1151
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,800
yeah well i mean swink mccloud makes a

1152
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,400
good point we got to find out more about

1153
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,480
these two authors that's so true i mean

1154
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,480
that would answer a lot of our questions

1155
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,720
you know could this be some weird fanfic

1156
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,280
that they wrote about ufos just to mess

1157
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,520
with people no they wouldn't put it in

1158
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,040
an official textbook if that were the

1159
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,359
case at least i don't think they would

1160
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,880
um i mean

1161
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,560
they could also it could be just as

1162
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,000
simple and i know some people probably

1163
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,440
won't like this but it could be just as

1164
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,720
simple as

1165
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,960
to throw the idea out there for a couple

1166
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,720
semesters and gather intelligence on

1167
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,720
what people think about it the idea of

1168
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,839
it

1169
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,640
yeah good point yeah a lot of this could

1170
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,359
be

1171
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,680
who's gonna say what what's gonna come

1172
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,520
yeah could be an intelligence game of

1173
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,280
some sort you know a lot of people think

1174
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,440
with lazar and stuff they fed him all

1175
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,119
this stuff to see what he would go

1176
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,599
public with if he would leak this stuff

1177
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,319
so i don't know you know lazarus side we

1178
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,319
know that they've done that in the past

1179
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,480
maybe these guys were writing this as

1180
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,400
like you said like uh like a movie

1181
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,880
script and maybe they were the influence

1182
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,520
for eric davis writing his supposed

1183
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:27,760
movie script

1184
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,400
oh man i knew we could somehow bring it

1185
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:31,599
to the um

1186
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,640
the wilson doctor i mean honestly you

1187
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,520
could start a brand new x-files and the

1188
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:39,599
first episode could be

1189
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,520
the discovery of this manual like right

1190
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,200
right honestly you can make a movie

1191
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:47,280
about it or to definitely base a tv show

1192
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,319
off of it

1193
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,880
and some some sort of new paranormal

1194
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,440
investigative duo you know

1195
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,680
get on that dan that's all you man i can

1196
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,760
help you write a dialogue if you want i

1197
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,359
want to find out where they found their

1198
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,960
information to put this all together

1199
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,960
like it's great that we have it in this

1200
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,119
condensed form it had to have come from

1201
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,520
a broad range

1202
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,200
people say it's just typical ufo

1203
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,520
mythology or whatever but it's very

1204
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,800
specific

1205
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,359
well by 1968 though the united states

1206
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,720
military had pretty much secured the

1207
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,040
entire planet

1208
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,720
you know they they

1209
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,599
i mean i'm sure there was many as they

1210
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:27,599
call spoils of war

1211
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:30,839
after the second world war and um

1212
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,599
possibly books and and information lost

1213
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,880
uh data through the years that maybe has

1214
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,440
been seen by very few human eyes and you

1215
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,040
know maybe this was just their way of

1216
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,910
paraphrasing it you know right and at

1217
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,000
the same time we were also the united

1218
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,319
states was securing space

1219
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,119
the moon like we went to the moon in 69.

1220
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,520
like this yeah yep well this is yeah

1221
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,440
this is right uh leading up to the space

1222
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,760
race you're right like yeah like

1223
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,760
i mean who knows yeah maybe they're like

1224
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,280
hey we're going to space we need to get

1225
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,280
people prepared for this and so they put

1226
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,440
it in there and then maybe figured out

1227
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,040
oh we'll beat the russians to the moon

1228
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,119
and then just call it a day and then

1229
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,119
stop well i guess you could also make

1230
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,119
that comparison to the james webb tel

1231
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,880
webb telescope and then bringing bill

1232
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,240
well i guess they didn't they didn't

1233
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,240
bring bill nelson on but

1234
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,079
bill nelson got brought on as a nasa

1235
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,160
administrator earlier in 2021 in advance

1236
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,760
of the james webb telescope maybe they

1237
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,680
were concerned like hey we need to start

1238
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,440
saying like we might see something that

1239
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,319
we

1240
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,680
don't

1241
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,079
really expect to see and we need to be

1242
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,160
prepared for that such a good point man

1243
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,760
i mean that's what i'm hoping with the

1244
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:44,400
james webb and with the galileo project

1245
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,160
is like avi lopez said the skies are not

1246
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,200
classified per se so like the government

1247
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,000
can do everything they want to like

1248
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,400
you know stamp down the ufo thing when

1249
00:47:03,589 --> 00:46:59,680
it comes to military uh you know

1250
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,599
what space um but they can't control the

1251
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,079
entire planet's skies so when you do

1252
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,680
have something like james webb out there

1253
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,000
you do have things like galileo coming

1254
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,800
up these are ripple effects from what

1255
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,680
the government or pentagon did or did

1256
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,760
not do and the response they get from

1257
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,280
the public of

1258
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,520
that's not enough like we're not happy

1259
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,359
with that so we're gonna go and do this

1260
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:25,839
instead and try to stop us try to stop

1261
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,119
us so that's why i i think a lot of um

1262
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,960
i i love that this was in a physics book

1263
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,200
and i love that the conversation now in

1264
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,000
2022 is leaning a lot more into the

1265
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,200
science of ufos and the the exploration

1266
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:41,920
of space rather than just the pentagon i

1267
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,960
think since 2017 that's all we've been

1268
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,480
focusing on is the government's

1269
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,280
involvement with this topic um you know

1270
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,119
even up until this conversation with the

1271
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,960
air force but

1272
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,680
the chapter ends um we won't give away

1273
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,319
everything but the chapter ends with

1274
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,200
science and like how we need to continue

1275
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,440
looking at the ufo phenomenon because of

1276
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,520
the benefits it could give us in terms

1277
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,640
of science

1278
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,800
um so that was my long-winded way of

1279
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,640
saying um

1280
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,720
what do you make of this whole chapter

1281
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,720
like what is the message

1282
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,200
that you think we should take away from

1283
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,960
all of this dad i know that's a broad

1284
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,280
big question but um yeah what do you

1285
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,079
think we should look uh look forward to

1286
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,839
by looking back at this chapter in this

1287
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,599
air force manual

1288
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,640
the the process is long and arduous like

1289
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,319
this isn't a quick

1290
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,280
quick solution like i i was i was on

1291
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,599
board with richard dolan's uh tipping

1292
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,599
point theory where enough information

1293
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,680
would come out that it would just be uh

1294
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,800
at an avalanche of follow-up information

1295
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,200
based on what we've seen from 2017 and

1296
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:49,839
now the differences that we've seen from

1297
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,760
1968 to now it seems like it is a long

1298
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,480
drawn-out process to get any information

1299
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,240
out in the public and that's

1300
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,760
discouraging

1301
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,960
to some

1302
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,040
but not to me because

1303
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,760
the journey is the adventure in this

1304
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:07,359
particular case

1305
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,319
uh

1306
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,720
we're all here we are all seeking

1307
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,760
answers

1308
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,200
we all want to know more we're all

1309
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,200
digging we wouldn't be digging like this

1310
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,200
if we had the answers already we would

1311
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
just be like okay well somebody's on it

1312
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,880
we're gonna

1313
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:22,960
wait and see what they tell us but now

1314
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,599
it's all of us individuals around the

1315
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,599
globe i mean we're a global effort

1316
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,559
pushing on one topic trying to get to

1317
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,720
the bottom of it so the overarching

1318
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,880
thing to me is patience

1319
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:36,640
think for yourself

1320
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,079
and continue to push

1321
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,480
exactly i i couldn't agree more man um i

1322
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,839
do want to read this one quote from the

1323
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,800
chapter

1324
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,000
which kind of ties into what you're

1325
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,680
saying although the conding committee

1326
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,760
cautioned that nothing worthwhile was

1327
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
likely to result from such research it

1328
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,160
suggested that all of the agencies of

1329
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,000
the federal government and private

1330
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,920
foundations should be willing to

1331
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,640
consider ufo research proposals along

1332
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,040
with the others submitted to them on an

1333
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,160
open-minded unprejudiced basis

1334
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,000
i mean that says it all right there

1335
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,559
we're saying that now today the pentagon

1336
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,880
is saying that like we need to shed the

1337
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,119
stigma and we need to look into this

1338
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,800
because it could

1339
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,040
benefit us if we can exploit that

1340
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,599
technology as the military likes to say

1341
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,640
um how will it benefit us so i think

1342
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,960
you're right a lot hasn't changed since

1343
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,880
this chapter was in this book or even

1344
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,040
before that and we're asking the same

1345
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:35,200
questions today and we're we're hoping

1346
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,000
to

1347
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,079
exploit the technology we see displayed

1348
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,599
in uap

1349
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,440
but we can't understand it we still

1350
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:44,319
can't understand it and that's both

1351
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,680
scary frustrating exciting everything um

1352
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:50,160
which you know welcome to ufology i

1353
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:51,200
guess well

1354
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,960
in the book itself it says like it is

1355
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,359
hard for our scientists to explain

1356
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,200
stephen greenstreet was on ancient

1357
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,200
aliens with you and he was pointing out

1358
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,200
that in the uap

1359
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,880
preliminary assessment

1360
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,400
it says that the performance

1361
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,599
characteristic characteristics um we

1362
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,200
need to do more science to be able to

1363
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,040
understand them i'm not quoting it word

1364
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:14,880
for word of course but that's still to

1365
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,920
me what like i miss that gym in

1366
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,760
in the preliminary assessment that our

1367
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,520
science hasn't caught up to what these

1368
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,839
things are our science can't explain it

1369
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,839
that that's a biggie

1370
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,520
sorry my kids are running around in the

1371
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,880
hallway

1372
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,160
oh gosh no man no no no not at all luis

1373
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,839
you got any more questions for dan

1374
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,079
before we start to wrap things up here

1375
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:39,040
um well i mean just the one thing that

1376
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,559
was also really interesting and again

1377
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,280
this is just the first few pages um it

1378
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,359
talks about hoaxes and rantings due to

1379
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,240
unstable personalities and you know

1380
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,760
basically saying that some suggest that

1381
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,480
these ufo reports are just hoaxes

1382
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,160
um and and

1383
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,000
it's true in some cases but there's a

1384
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,000
lot of cases where these are coming from

1385
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:00,079
pilots but the first the first thing

1386
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,240
that they reference is a a case that is

1387
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,240
they consider not a hoax which is the

1388
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,359
lonnie zamora case in new mexico um and

1389
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,200
that's uh that's one case that they

1390
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,599
focus on in this report and just sort of

1391
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,960
highlight as

1392
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,280
yeah this isn't this isn't a hoax this

1393
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,400
is some some you know hubcap in the sky

1394
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,000
taking a picture kind of thing this is a

1395
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,960
real case that's also the case that my

1396
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,040
my understanding is that that flipped

1397
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,160
jay allen heineck from skeptic and not

1398
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,319
really believing to be in not being able

1399
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,800
to deny it i believe the lonnie zamora

1400
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,520
case they also reference and and tell

1401
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,680
people to take a close look at betty and

1402
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:42,880
barney hill as well yeah i saw that yeah

1403
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
um the the socorro case i always love

1404
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,160
the part of the story that a lot of

1405
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,920
people don't talk about

1406
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,920
blue book it was like hynek and a few

1407
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,240
other agents or whatnot with the air

1408
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,720
force were heading out there because

1409
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,400
they clearly wanted to be the first to

1410
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,480
get to the site when it happened and

1411
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,960
their car broke down and heineck got

1412
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,480
pissed he's like we need to get there

1413
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,960
like this is an active investigation um

1414
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,480
we could find trace evidence and they're

1415
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,920
like yeah we gotta wait for another

1416
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,760
government car might be another hour or

1417
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,400
so and heinek was literally like

1418
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,760
you guys i'm gonna hitchhike so he

1419
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,760
gets out he hitchhikes all the way to

1420
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,559
socorro and he was the first one on site

1421
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,640
um you know besides zamora and a few of

1422
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,800
the local law enforcement just to get

1423
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,800
there to investigate i love that story i

1424
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,960
love hearing that and pardon my french

1425
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:32,800
there i didn't mean

1426
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,270
i did have one last question for dan uh

1427
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:41,440
what do what are the biggest uh

1428
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,400
detractors of this manual or chapter

1429
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,520
that you've

1430
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,680
received or heard where you're like okay

1431
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,559
that might carry some water uh well it's

1432
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:52,960
the weirdest one to me is why are we

1433
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,000
even talking about this this is old news

1434
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,920
but yeah like like

1435
00:54:03,109 --> 00:53:59,599
i didn't know

1436
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:03,119
yeah like it's it's new to me it's new

1437
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,040
to a lot of people like

1438
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,440
i had one guy say oh this came out 25

1439
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,640
years ago and i'm like dude do you know

1440
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:10,720
how many people are under 25 on this

1441
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:12,559
planet like that

1442
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,000
nonetheless yeah oh yeah by the way

1443
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,680
um that was another thing i got a lot of

1444
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,400
shots across the bow about uh

1445
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,720
now it's on tick tock like

1446
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,480
it's just like a southern accent as soon

1447
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,079
as you say the word tick-tock people

1448
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,720
deduct 10 iq points so

1449
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,200
like there's no respect for tick-tock in

1450
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:33,920
the ufology at the moment but it's it's

1451
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,640
changing hey gotta be the first for

1452
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,880
something man and i really think you're

1453
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:40,480
you're doing that you're like avi lope

1454
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,680
you're putting yourself on the front

1455
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,150
that's really much

1456
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,720
i don't even have a front porch yeah

1457
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,839
fair enough fair enough no but i and i

1458
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,599
kind of put this on twitter today as

1459
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,240
well and you know i'm known as the nice

1460
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,200
guy in ufology but when it comes to

1461
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,680
people who were shaming you for doing

1462
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,640
this and saying it's been out there it's

1463
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,040
nothing um

1464
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,880
that's irrelevant

1465
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,960
it's new to a lot of people it was a

1466
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:12,400
revelation to me i didn't know this

1467
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,319
chapter existed so why not talk about it

1468
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,599
why not put it out on a platform of um

1469
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:21,359
millennials and younger who have

1470
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,880
absolutely no idea what roswell is what

1471
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,000
rendelsham is what the ufo topic is what

1472
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:30,720
it was and what it's going to be so i

1473
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,599
mean i think it's awesome like who cares

1474
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,520
if others have talked about it if it's

1475
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,359
nothing um it's worth having the

1476
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,400
conversation and it's getting eyes on it

1477
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,960
and we can have those conversations so

1478
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,640
um to those people out there who did

1479
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,640
that all i want to say is

1480
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,720
shut up move on

1481
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,480
go do what you do

1482
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,599
and um

1483
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,040
skulk in the corner like we're gonna

1484
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,040
have fun talking about this or at least

1485
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,119
watch the video before you criticize it

1486
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,559
like based on their comments they

1487
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,240
haven't even watched the videos

1488
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,400
that's exactly what i said in here and

1489
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,000
yeah there's a lot of that he didn't

1490
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,920
even read the book like how how can you

1491
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,520
criticize this and say it's a nothing

1492
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,920
burger if you haven't read it if you

1493
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:13,920
haven't done any looking into it some

1494
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,000
guy told you about it and you took his

1495
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,240
word like come on man

1496
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,079
yeah well and that's that's the issue

1497
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,119
with skeptics and we all should be

1498
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,359
skeptical all the time like i'm not

1499
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,400
saying

1500
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:29,359
they

1501
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,599
look at anything you have a skeptic come

1502
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,640
on news with um you know

1503
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,680
former deputy base commander uh charles

1504
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,240
hall who said hey i was in rendelsham

1505
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,200
1980. uh you craft landed i've got audio

1506
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,680
of it as it was happening and you know

1507
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,520
they turned to the skeptic who just says

1508
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,960
it was the lighthouse it was the

1509
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,920
lighthouse out there and he's like oh

1510
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,079
yeah okay so i know where the lighthouse

1511
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,480
is i'm not an idiot i'm the deputy base

1512
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,720
commander and also what year did this

1513
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,520
happen mr skeptic oh i don't know oh you

1514
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,839
don't even know what year the ufo case

1515
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,160
occurred that you're on television now

1516
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,160
trying to debunk cool just just making

1517
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,599
sure so that is that's a problem i i run

1518
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,680
into too man is they don't even look

1519
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,960
they probably didn't even look at your

1520
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,559
videos before they came out and started

1521
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,920
putting these new

1522
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,880
reactions out there so it is what it is

1523
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,799
unfortunately so one of my one of my

1524
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,000
favorite quotes in ufology is i want to

1525
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,160
say his name is robert jacobs dr robert

1526
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,400
jacobs he's the guy that saw

1527
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,559
filmed the ufo as the

1528
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,119
uh warhead was going through the sky and

1529
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,680
it oh right went in the three o'clock

1530
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,280
twelve o'clock nine o'clock position and

1531
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,680
shot a beam at it and then it fell down

1532
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,680
and he gets so mad because like he

1533
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,280
recounts the story he's like i know what

1534
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:51,599
i saw my favorite quote is

1535
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,430
i love it what do you do you have any

1536
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,280
plans on what your next deep dive is

1537
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,839
gonna be uh i'm taking a break from deep

1538
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,040
dives for a while that you guys don't

1539
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,319
realize how much like that was 175

1540
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,160
background slides on that like the

1541
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,640
fatigue was setting in towards you sent

1542
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,440
me the the slide uh presentation i still

1543
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,920
have to get my way through all of it um

1544
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,440
well i do want to ask you this dan

1545
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,440
before we go um

1546
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,280
when it comes to the air force they've

1547
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,319
been very quiet on everything going on

1548
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,640
right now so do you think that's gonna

1549
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,720
change are we gonna start hearing more

1550
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,480
from the air force moving forward when

1551
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,799
it comes to this topic or will they once

1552
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,799
again be the ones being a part of the

1553
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,960
cover-up at the very uh you know since

1554
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,720
they were at the very start of it

1555
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,240
basing it on

1556
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,000
um

1557
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,680
what's his name the new

1558
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,119
secretary of the air force kendrick

1559
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,200
i think fred kendrick is his name or

1560
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,839
kendall kendall that's it uh i don't i

1561
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,599
don't see it happen he basically said oh

1562
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,440
yeah it's not something we're concerned

1563
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,880
about it's not something we're gonna

1564
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,119
look into until we're concerned about it

1565
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:03,680
so you can

1566
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,280
take that type of a mentality and just

1567
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,599
plead ignorance and say oh yeah well we

1568
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,119
we didn't think that it was anything to

1569
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:13,440
look into we're looking into it on our

1570
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,440
own we're not telling you about it but

1571
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,960
they've got their justification for

1572
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:20,960
sitting on their hands

1573
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,440
yeah what do you think lou

1574
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,079
um well i'd like to see how long they

1575
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,720
sit on the hands once this new office

1576
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,319
gets established and

1577
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:32,160
maybe their budget gets cut by this new

1578
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,680
office because they're not sharing

1579
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,280
enough information

1580
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,799
maybe mr kendall changes his tune

1581
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,480
i mean i don't know i don't know you

1582
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,079
know yeah maybe we're going to get that

1583
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,839
chapter

1584
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,440
the new office is supposed to work right

1585
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:47,200
then i mean essentially

1586
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,319
um

1587
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,119
you know so we'll see but i mean if i

1588
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,319
feel like

1589
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,040
that's especially if you're taking over

1590
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,960
the air force i feel like that's a

1591
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,119
pretty safe statement just to just put

1592
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,480
out be like yep we're not interested in

1593
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,119
this gonna go status quo until i have to

1594
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,440
do otherwise and maybe that office will

1595
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,200
make him do otherwise

1596
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,799
so i mean at least he leaves the door

1597
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,599
the door open to changing it

1598
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,599
if i'm not mistaken i think four of the

1599
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,000
co-sponsors of the gila brand amendment

1600
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,240
were also on the appropriations

1601
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:21,119
committee so there's like a direct

1602
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,319
uh

1603
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,000
chain or link

1604
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,319
to the money for the performance of

1605
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,960
their their uap duties

1606
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:31,280
and that doesn't even include the

1607
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,559
the

1608
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,280
uh national security element to it as

1609
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,720
well i mean there's a chain of command

1610
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:38,960
there as well when it comes to national

1611
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,119
security issues and and the uh

1612
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,280
the committees that also have have to do

1613
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:46,960
with that aspect of the conversation as

1614
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,760
well

1615
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,720
yeah

1616
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,200
exactly so it says can we uh can we have

1617
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,559
a vote from the panel is it real i i i

1618
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,280
think he's referring to the chapter

1619
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:59,839
um i'll vote yeah that chapter is real i

1620
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,480
mean resounding yes it's real it was in

1621
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:03,440
the book

1622
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,559
um you know a matter of it was like

1623
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,799
it was taught to air force students

1624
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,280
yeah jaylen heineck shared it with

1625
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,079
someone that has shared it with us so i

1626
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,559
know that's not him coming to my house

1627
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,119
and laying it on my kitchen table but

1628
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,280
it's as good as it's gonna get

1629
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,119
yeah agreed yeah that was a good

1630
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,160
question alex no i i do firmly believe

1631
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,160
it was real and dan i'm so happy you

1632
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,200
brought it um to a audience who has

1633
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,760
never heard about this chapter including

1634
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,559
myself and wow i think it's awesome

1635
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:39,280
yeah i think it's i think it's the

1636
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,599
reason why it's awesome is because we

1637
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:43,760
yeah maybe you're right

1638
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,559
guy we have heard this story before but

1639
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,480
it's never been presented in such an

1640
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:49,680
easy

1641
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,480
way to understand as the way you did

1642
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,000
with your with your 11 or 12 part series

1643
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,359
i'm the fast food version yeah ufology

1644
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,880
and yeah that's 11.

1645
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,839
but that's so but it's i mean still fast

1646
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:06,400
food they're two minutes and 50 seconds

1647
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,680
almost each vid they're almost three

1648
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,480
minutes long each video times 11 videos

1649
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:12,559
that's a half hour of content that's not

1650
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,160
just some fast food video so you know

1651
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,160
you need to tip your hat to yourself a

1652
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:20,000
little bit like this is a really great

1653
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:23,440
research thing that breaks down

1654
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,520
an air force manual training class in a

1655
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,039
very simple

1656
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:31,920
easy to digest understandable way that

1657
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:34,880
saves the house mom or the dad who's

1658
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,760
busy or the person who's

1659
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,799
at work

1660
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:41,200
you know uh just flipping on his lunch

1661
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,640
looking for something to entertain

1662
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:45,359
himself like this is a beautiful

1663
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,720
beautiful

1664
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:48,000
little

1665
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:52,720
of private museum of this document and

1666
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,440
it's cool man and i think it's important

1667
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,160
and you did an amazing job on it so

1668
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,079
congratulations

1669
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,480
i think it's presenting this story in a

1670
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,640
really fresh way to a whole new group of

1671
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,559
people that may have never heard about

1672
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,880
this before even if you have this is a

1673
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,039
great way to share it with your friends

1674
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,839
that maybe either never have or have and

1675
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,920
it's presented in a really just fun way

1676
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,160
to watch so so

1677
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,640
that was the goal like i i always get in

1678
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,920
conversations with people who are like

1679
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,000
oh you need to read this book or read

1680
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,039
this article and i always go yeah that

1681
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,710
got a short version so i'm trying to i'm

1682
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,559
trying to read for people make it easy

1683
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,799
to consume and provide the context

1684
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,839
around

1685
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,359
whatever the information is so that

1686
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,960
people can have a better

1687
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,520
feel for the significance of what i'm

1688
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,200
trying to talk about or the event that

1689
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,640
has just occurred

1690
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,400
yeah exactly

1691
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,280
i just put a link uh oh god i think i

1692
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:54,079
did i just put a ridiculously long link

1693
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,520
in the chat of your uh your tick tock um

1694
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,520
but why don't you just give it to us

1695
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,880
just in case because it looks like i

1696
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,400
screwed something yeah i know you might

1697
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,319
tell us where we can find it

1698
01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:07,280
uh just the fifth pillar of emphasis and

1699
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,680
um i have a youtube channel as well that

1700
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,880
i'm trying to grow i'm gonna start

1701
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:12,559
putting some longer content on there

1702
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,599
i'll probably

1703
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,599
compile all these videos into one and

1704
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,599
put them on my youtube channel so it's

1705
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,680
uh the fifth pillar of emphasis there as

1706
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,160
well uh you can find me on tick tock at

1707
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:23,760
dan warren at

1708
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,240
hey look over there look is spelled with

1709
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:28,480
a u instead of two o's because someone

1710
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,240
else beat me to it

1711
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,400
uh but yeah like just look for the fifth

1712
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,079
pillar of emphasis on tick tock you can

1713
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,079
even type just ufo and you're gonna see

1714
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,359
my ugly mug and click on the plus button

1715
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,520
and also alex garcia i just sent you the

1716
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,760
pdf of it so you can

1717
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,520
you can just open up the pdf if you want

1718
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:47,039
to check it out there too because i that

1719
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,720
was sent to me by lee spiegel he's got

1720
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:50,160
it on pdf

1721
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:51,200
um

1722
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,680
so where can you post a pdf i think

1723
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:55,039
we've posted it definitely on our

1724
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,559
discord but not everybody's part of my

1725
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,799
discord but um

1726
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,400
you know i've got a pdf of it if you

1727
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:02,319
want just give me a shout and i'll send

1728
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,520
it to you

1729
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:05,680
cool i love it nightgazer says dan

1730
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:07,520
you're great at cutting and condensing

1731
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:10,480
down super clear presentations and then

1732
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,319
michael huntington says great job the

1733
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:14,400
more education about ufo history the

1734
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,839
better so many in the field these days

1735
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,160
don't know ufology i could not agree

1736
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,880
more with my on that um so hey man

1737
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,799
you're doing a service you're fighting

1738
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:25,039
the fight and you're on the front lines

1739
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,880
on a social media site that um a lot of

1740
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:30,960
the people in ufology aren't even aware

1741
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:34,000
of so i highly suggest everyone go go

1742
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:36,799
get on tick tock go follow fifth pillar

1743
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,440
of emphasis um because you do make it

1744
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,760
very digestible and that's a sign of a

1745
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,359
good teacher man so you taught me

1746
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,839
tonight um i have to thank you for doing

1747
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:47,920
this i know you and luis are gonna go

1748
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,599
much deeper on his show next week so um

1749
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,680
yeah one more time dan before i let you

1750
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,599
go here brother tell us where we can

1751
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,680
find everything you're up to

1752
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,960
um

1753
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,640
i want to just real quick say thank you

1754
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,559
to eric weinstein for

1755
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,319
retweeting it of course thank you very

1756
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,039
much um but yeah find me at the fifth

1757
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:09,039
pillar of emphasis just look for ufo on

1758
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:12,400
tick tock uh find me on twitter at hey

1759
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:13,920
look over there

1760
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,720
i have a link to my tick tock on my

1761
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,119
twitter profile so you can find me that

1762
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,960
way and go to youtube subscribe to my

1763
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,160
channel so i can start doing live

1764
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:24,079
streams because i'm i'm not even close

1765
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,280
i'm still a fledgling youtuber

1766
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:29,839
hey man i'm me too me too we'll we'll

1767
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,079
get there together for sure all right

1768
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,839
brother i'm gonna let you go i'm gonna

1769
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,520
say goodnight to luis and then i'm gonna

1770
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,680
talk some shop with my my viewers but

1771
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:39,520
dan i have to thank you so much for

1772
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,039
coming on somewhere in the skies tonight

1773
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,039
my name thank you for having me pleasure

1774
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,680
meeting you young don we'll see you

1775
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,440
we'll see you next week buddy see you

1776
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:49,599
later nuts yeah not so much young

1777
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,599
anymore but it's very nice of you

1778
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,119
brother all right have a great night all

1779
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,640
right thank you

1780
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,720
take care

1781
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:58,839
dude that was amazing that was my first

1782
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:01,920
time talking to dan i and again

1783
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,960
like

1784
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:05,200
bringing this forward to an audience

1785
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,039
who's never heard of it is the most

1786
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:08,880
important thing you can do in this field

1787
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:12,079
so um i'm so happy we were able to just

1788
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,599
scratch the surface of it with them

1789
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,799
tonight but i know you're going to have

1790
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,119
them on next week probably to dive a

1791
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,720
little deeper into this

1792
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,960
uh yeah i mean yeah we could we could

1793
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:22,799
definitely dive into it again it's fun

1794
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:24,880
dan i mean you know dan also

1795
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:25,520
i

1796
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:41,039
local rep so he's actually he's got a

1797
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:42,880
dialogue with him so

1798
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:46,000
um yeah dan is an incredibly intelligent

1799
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,160
guy one of the good guys in this fight

1800
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,000
for sure absolutely i'm so very

1801
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,240
level-headed very

1802
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:54,559
approachable um

1803
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,960
just just wants to help and again he's

1804
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,039
just an absolute asset

1805
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,280
uh when it comes to this discussion and

1806
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,640
and one of the new just awesome voices

1807
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,119
yeah topic for sure he's the real young

1808
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,599
gun let's be completely honest but um

1809
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:11,760
what else you got going on over at ucr

1810
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:13,680
this week my man give it to us what can

1811
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,880
we do uh well tomorrow

1812
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:19,040
who do we have tomorrow oh yeah we got

1813
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,920
um

1814
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,759
preston dennett tomorrow which would be

1815
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,719
cool

1816
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,640
and then on friday we got jack shaw he's

1817
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,279
going to come and talk about his uh uh

1818
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,880
article that he wrote in the debrief

1819
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:31,520
about the michigan lights

1820
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,120
and uh yeah and then next week we got uh

1821
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,640
john ramirez coming back and we're also

1822
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,759
going to have sean webb join that

1823
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,839
conversation so that'll be very cool as

1824
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,640
well

1825
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,239
cool cool i'm looking forward to the

1826
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,640
jazz one that michigan case is one of my

1827
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:47,120
all-time favorites i'm uh what's uh

1828
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,709
honestly it would have to be um

1829
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:57,199
just the amount of attention paid to it

1830
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,000
by

1831
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,480
you know the radar operators the locals

1832
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,799
the weather people that were involved um

1833
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,359
there's just so much testimony of

1834
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,199
credible individuals

1835
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:09,040
involved with it that we can pull from

1836
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,719
and you really can't ask for more than

1837
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:12,560
that so that's a cool case man it's a

1838
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,440
cool case for sure yeah i believe you

1839
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:17,440
should you know you should talk to as

1840
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:18,960
well um

1841
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,759
bill k i i don't know how to pronounce

1842
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,640
his last name colin then kolinsky maybe

1843
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,960
um he's a mufon investigator out in

1844
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:28,000
michigan

1845
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,759
um who looked heavily into it as well um

1846
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,520
i'll have to i'll get you a link for him

1847
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,040
but um

1848
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,799
yeah i'm looking forward to it you got a

1849
01:09:39,990 --> 01:09:38,799
good week going on over there my man so

1850
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:40,000
again

1851
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,279
where can we find everything you're up

1852
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:43,199
to before we let you go um you can find

1853
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,400
me on my twitter handle right here at

1854
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,080
los angeles uh you can find us at the

1855
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,640
unidentified celebrity review on youtube

1856
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,960
uh and yeah pretty easy

1857
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:53,359
easy mcleod says the audio duh yeah i

1858
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,159
should have there's audio um to the

1859
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,719
michigan case as well which is pretty

1860
01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:00,159
pretty awesome they're they're pretty

1861
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,840
spooked in that audio from what i

1862
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,159
remember so yeah we can't ask for more

1863
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:06,159
than that for sure awesome my man i'm

1864
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,000
gonna let you know we could perhaps ask

1865
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,760
for more than that right we we could we

1866
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:12,080
always connected i mean like i'd like to

1867
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,679
see the craft

1868
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,669
i'm probably not going to get it but

1869
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,440
i'll ask for it

1870
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,120
all right buddy have a good week fun

1871
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,480
show thank you for inviting me it's

1872
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:25,199
always a pleasure man you're my gym

1873
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,270
guys thank you thank you for joining me

1874
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,199
tonight um it was awesome to finally get

1875
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,440
to speak to dan i've been talking to him

1876
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,080
offline for a while now and uh this

1877
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,960
definitely deserves more conversation so

1878
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:42,880
be sure to check him out over on ucr

1879
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,400
next week but other than that um if you

1880
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,400
didn't watch the premiere of ancient

1881
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:50,960
aliens please go watch that um i believe

1882
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:52,960
it's on history.com you can watch the

1883
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:57,040
first episode right now um and be on the

1884
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,600
lookout for mysteries dakota the other

1885
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,280
show that i'm a part of we're going to

1886
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,440
be premiering a new season of that later

1887
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,679
this year i should have more info on

1888
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,320
that soon and um

1889
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,400
check out the show every monday wherever

1890
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,440
you get your podcasts and um that's

1891
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,040
about it if you want to help the show

1892
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,600
out we have a patreon as well i'm going

1893
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,600
to do a little commercial for that to

1894
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,840
close things out here um your support

1895
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,239
means the world to me and it truly makes

1896
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,199
someone the skies continue and grow so i

1897
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,560
want to thank everyone in the chat

1898
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,640
tonight i want to thank um everyone for

1899
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,960
the super chat super stickers and for

1900
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,640
just having the conversation with us i

1901
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,640
thought it was definitely

1902
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,800
um worth talking about here on summer in

1903
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,560
the sky so thank you to dan thank you to

1904
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,080
luis for joining me thank you to all of

1905
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,880
you for being here tonight and i will

1906
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,120
leave you with our slogan as always for

1907
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,199
some in the skies keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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hey guys ryan here the summer in the

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skies podcast is a labor of love every

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